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Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005, 02:47 pm
Now Back To Your Regularly Scheduled Music Blog

Idea for future blog (soon), and a request for comments:

I've been thinking a bit lately about being a "music person" (not a musician, as that's an entirely different thing with entirely different signifiers and effects), what that means, how it (positively and negatively) affects our lives/has affected mine (if at all), and what the signifiers of this are.

By music person (and I could stand to think of a better term for this, naturally, but "fan" just sounds flippant and wrong, and nothing else has seemed even remotely appropriate -- suggestions welcome) I mean someone for whom music is the main thing in their life -- they talk about it, read/write about it, spend time in record shops looking for it, wear clothing related to it, maybe even choose friends by it.

What signifiers can you think of? Have you ever been like this? Are you now? Do you remember being in school and noticing someone in a Ramones/Smiths/insert-band-you-like-here t-shirt and thinking "oh good, there's at least one other one"? Do you feel it's an immature way to be/think?

How important is what music we listen to important to who we are? Are we what we like?

I think that's the main question.

Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005 07:04 pm (UTC)
stephen_cramer

"music snob"? "music nerd"? i think it's ok to be a snob, in that you think the music you like is of a higher quality than, say, top 40 pop music, just as long as you don't look down on people who are not in your musical circle. i think we've all had a tendency to judge people positively or negatively based on what band t-shirt they're wearing, but it's really limiting when you think about it. especially when our teenage angst pops out at age 30, and the thought bubble above your head reads "why can't they just accept me for who i am?"... we, in turn, should accept other musical types, all the while trying to be a positive force in the musical lives of others. people who don't want to share their music, assuming that someone who likes green day couldn't appreciate the music of sebadoh or the replacements or whatever. i just prefer not to analyze it all too much, even though i just did! oh, and my sympathies for the volunteers. i guess the bulldogs thrashed em pretty goon on saturday, eh? :)

Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005 07:05 pm (UTC)
stephen_cramer

pretty good! goonies 4ever!

Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005 07:14 pm (UTC)
karatecommie: ...

Haw, I knew what you meant.

Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005 07:13 pm (UTC)
karatecommie: ...

Sorry, indie guilt, pop music hatred, and snobbery are *definitely* things I can't get behind.

Everything besides your first declarative sentence is helpful and interesting. ;)

Wed, Oct. 12th, 2005 12:10 am (UTC)
stephen_cramer: Re: ...

yeah, rereading what i read, i regret saying that any music is of higher quality... there's just nothing wrong with saying that the music you like is better in your eyes/ears, as long as you don't close doors to have any relationship with someone outside your sphere. that said, there is a certain chemistry you're going to have with someone who, for examply, bought your messy music fanzine back in 1997. :) and there's nothing wrong with that.

oh, and i dance to kelly clarkston's "since you've been gone" harder than i dance to any other song. go figure.

Wed, Oct. 12th, 2005 01:32 am (UTC)
karatecommie: Re: ...

way to go, excellent choice!

Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005 07:34 pm (UTC)
anthonyisright

a close friend I finally met later in high school knew me sophomore year as "that kid who walks between the buildings the same time I do, usually in a Sebadoh t-shirt." This was totally the goal. I think when you're younger and still trying to create an identity these arguably superficial elements mean more. You're looking for common bonds, voicing your allegiances, etc. It means even more when you're looking for folks outside a percieved norm. I can question now whether Sebadoh fanship inherently means "sensitive outcast worth being friends with" now, but I'd be pissing on my past to totally dismiss that kind of initial camaraderie.

Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005 07:39 pm (UTC)
karatecommie: ...

I definitely agree that it's a kind of adolescent identity-building, and not something to be dismissed completely.

And I'm very pleased that Sebadoh has been mentioned in BOTH of the comments on this post, and not by me!

Tue, Oct. 11th, 2005 07:42 pm (UTC)
anthonyisright

if anything, I think I've just realized that "what they like" isn't as important as the "why they like it" when it comes to who I'll get along with. But when the two coincide, whee!

Wed, Oct. 12th, 2005 08:58 am (UTC)
carsmilesteve

dude, "fan" is totally the right word, it's what we are. anything else is over-analysing.

(hey, that cramer bloke's a right old rockist innit ;))

Wed, Oct. 12th, 2005 04:49 pm (UTC)
karatecommie: ...

Well, I originally met him beacuse of an indie rock fanzine, innit. ;)

Fan is the right word, I guess, but it also denotes things that I don't really mean. "Fan", though it really means FANATIC, obv, sounds too casual?

Wed, Oct. 12th, 2005 03:23 pm (UTC)
jaymc

this is really interesting, emily -- especially since i'm trying to write an article for stylus about the effects of being a musician on one's music-listening experiencees. but i really like this broader consideration. i might have to steal it.

whoa i just realized some weird LJ connections. this stephen cramer chap was mentioned in my friend fotw's last post.

Wed, Oct. 12th, 2005 04:52 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous): ...

I demand credit! Haw.

And Stephen is a TOTAL internet celebrity. Everyone knows him!

Wed, Oct. 12th, 2005 04:52 pm (UTC)
karatecommie: Re: ...

and that was me, woops.

Thu, Oct. 13th, 2005 07:47 am (UTC)
wahhhmbulance

I have been that guy for years.